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assassin rob · Jan 19, 2007, 08:05 PM // 20:05

I like more the build of Yanman.be
Because the build can knockdown almost 3 times
Mark+Black Lotus Strike+Twisting fangs gives you a knockdown followed by Falling spider and Horns of the Ox gives you a second knockdown and followed by Moebius +Horns of the Ox gives you again a knockdown and then falling spider and twisting fangs.

EVEN A WARRIOR (normal ab one) cant beat that.

jesh · Jan 19, 2007, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

P.P.S. you can make that dead-dummy screenie with any char by just whittling down each target to low health and killing them at the same time. I realize this isn't what the deadly promise build does.

Doh.. never thought of that. Oh well. I was going to post my attempts with the fastest Dragon Slasher build I can think of to further illustrate my point, but I guess it doesn't mean much on those test dummies, eh?
The best I could do was kill the 4th target as the first was popping back up. In practice, the assassin build is actually a lot faster, because the warrior has to run from target to target. Casters are often spaced far apart, or kiting you. Yes, in pve.

Fox Bat, I agree with you. Saying that assassins aren't useful at all is different from saying they're only useful in lower end pvp and pve - the original stance was that they had no use at all.

JYX - reading comprehension for the win.

JYX · Jan 20, 2007, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

P.P.S. you can make that dead-dummy screenie with any char by just whittling down each target to low health and killing them at the same time. I realise this isn't what the deadly promise build does.

Well played, all credit to FoxBat

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Originally Posted by jesh

Fox Bat, I agree with you. Saying that assassins aren't useful at all is different from saying they're only useful in lower end pvp and pve - the original stance was that they had no use at all.

It is sad when you need to spec especially to beat nubs.

Being "useful" in PvE is very easy to achieve. I henched the crystal desert with a mesmer in pre-searing armor. Nobody is saying that you will fail if you roll an assassin in PvE. Like RA, anything works there.

However, from the parts of my post you've responded to. (Slow spiking. Hard time killing at stand.) It would appear you think they're a viable replacement for warriors as flagstand offense. This is laughable.

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Originally Posted by jesh

JYX - reading comprehension for the win.

I realise you meant TF triggers itself. I also realise that this means absolutely nothing in terms of its spike potential.

jesh · Jan 20, 2007, 06:34 AM // 06:34

I love how you infer exactly what I'm thinking with your magical powers.
I'm done posting in this thread. I don't know why I bothered to reply to you in the first place.

JYX · Jan 20, 2007, 11:30 AM // 11:30

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Originally Posted by jesh

I love how you infer exactly what I'm thinking with your magical powers.
I'm done posting in this thread. I don't know why I bothered to reply to you in the first place.

TBH no, you got embarassed by 4 training dummies and now you're trying to smooth it out. In all honesty I don't know why you're trying either, inferring things about PvP that you've obviously never experienced. For a start you don't have crit chop unlocked.

Theres two ways you can take this post: "Btw, assassins have the same attack speed with daggers as do warriors with an axe or sword. They both have access to IAS skills, and can apply a deep wound in pretty damn near the same amount of time. " In light of my previous point, I took it as a riposte "Slow spiking isn't useful in any way. You're going to have a hard time killing anything at stand. This relegates you entirely to gank duties.". The post is largely irrelevant, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you meant that since they have the same attack speed, they can spike at the same rate, then they don't necessarily have to be relegated to gank duties. Either that or your response (response signified by your use of BTW, connecting with the rest of your post making the next point an addendum). But since you imply my inference is wrong, I'm just going to assume you've been talking crap the last 3 posts.

powercozmic · Jan 25, 2007, 06:25 AM // 06:25

Try asking "what's the deal with me ?" instead of "what's the deal with sins".

Zazoo · Jan 25, 2007, 07:58 AM // 07:58

To the OP.

I had the same problem with the sin, I wanted one but I was too used to playing my warrior.

It took me a lot of deaths and research before I got the idea.

When aggroing in PvE make sure you are not the primary target.
I cast a 1 sec spell just before I hit aggro and the melee hench/heros bypass me and take the aggro.

My current skill set (Was awsome over the weekend BTW because of the changes) is:
jagged Strike (5 E 4s recharge)
Wild Blow (5 E 6s Recharge) - Auto Crit stance remover
Wild Strike (5 E 4s Recharge)
Critical Strike (5 E 6s recharge) - Auto Crit
Shadow Refuge (Healing)
Way of Perfection (Healing per critical hit)
Flashing Blades (Defense skill)
Res

All of the attack skills have a short recharge time, making almost every strike you make do extra damage from them, also there are 2 critical hit skills that regain energy and life if you have way of perfection up.

As soon as something hits me I activate flashing blades, if I really start taking hits I leave cast shadow refuge and come back later.

Hope this helps.

Tingi · Jan 25, 2007, 11:39 AM // 11:39

I do like the new flashing blades buff - however this makes you use a lead - which isn't a problem at all in PvE but you don't want to in PvP.

I usually run the typical Shadow Prison build:

Shadow prison
BSS
HotO
BLS
TF
etc

but with the buff to BoS its gotta be

Shadow Prison
BSS
TW
BLS
BoS
etc

Blades of Steel update = much much easier 1 combo kills for chars with higher AL. = me happy

Siva arwen · Jan 26, 2007, 06:06 AM // 06:06

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Originally Posted by Zazoo

To the OP.

I had the same problem with the sin, I wanted one but I was too used to playing my warrior.

It took me a lot of deaths and research before I got the idea.

When aggroing in PvE make sure you are not the primary target.
I cast a 1 sec spell just before I hit aggro and the melee hench/heros bypass me and take the aggro.

My current skill set (Was awsome over the weekend BTW because of the changes) is:
jagged Strike (5 E 4s recharge)
Wild Blow (5 E 6s Recharge) - Auto Crit stance remover
Wild Strike (5 E 4s Recharge)
Critical Strike (5 E 6s recharge) - Auto Crit
Shadow Refuge (Healing)
Way of Perfection (Healing per critical hit)
Flashing Blades (Defense skill)
Res

All of the attack skills have a short recharge time, making almost every strike you make do extra damage from them, also there are 2 critical hit skills that regain energy and life if you have way of perfection up.

As soon as something hits me I activate flashing blades, if I really start taking hits I leave cast shadow refuge and come back later.

Hope this helps.

Your comment is right.

TO OP: If you want to play Sin in PvE you dont need a perfect combo that has a massive dmg with a long recharge. The only some skills that make you easy to play in PvE are jagged Strike, Wild Strike, Critical Strike, Moebius Strike, Twisting Fangs(for Boss), Wild Blow(for Block-stance), thats enough for you to play in normal PvE, but you need to have a good Henchmen setup. But in some PvE areas there are some strong boss(Shiro, Varesh, ...) that required to make your own build to kill the Boss. I never play PvE with any random group, unless the mission that required you to party with people to win the mission.

I remember my assassin failed 2 times to kill Shiro in NF with some random group, and i decided to kill Shiro by myself with my hero and henchman and it takes me only 1 time to kill Shiro in NF with my Hero and Hench (lol Siphon Strength+jagged Strike+Wild Strike makes Shiro feels like WTF).

Zazoo · Jan 26, 2007, 07:16 AM // 07:16

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Originally Posted by Siva arwen

I remember my assassin failed 2 times to kill Shiro in NF with some random group, and i decided to kill Shiro by myself with my hero and henchman and it takes me only 1 time to kill Shiro in NF with my Hero and Hench (lol Siphon Strength+jagged Strike+Wild Strike makes Shiro feels like WTF).

I finished NF over the weekend with the test changes in play.
Flashing Blades with 75% block rate was great at taking care of Shiro.
And the extra energy from crtical strike was great at keeping my enengy up.

Siva arwen · Jan 26, 2007, 09:33 AM // 09:33

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Originally Posted by Zazoo

I finished NF over the weekend with the test changes in play.
Flashing Blades with 75% block rate was great at taking care of Shiro.
And the extra energy from crtical strike was great at keeping my enengy up.

Flashing Blades with 50% block is not a bad skill either, with 50% block it can even save your from being assassinate by Shadow Prison as long as you are atking or not knocked down. But i just don't like to play something that is different from the theme of Profession. If i play assassin, i will be an assassin and not a tanker or a warrior. Thats why i chose elite Shadow Step instead of the rest of assassin elite skills.

I remembered someone when i was playing in Aspenwood, one Assassin was using SP+Burst of Aggression+BLS+HOTS+TW and asked me to 1v1 with him when i was using my AoD build(I think you know how can AoD face to face with SP.), and then i run away and he said im retard lol(What is he thinking, did he thinks when he killed someone with a cheapness combo they will called him a god?), but when i used my AoD to assassinate him and he said im retard again lol. When he cant kill me he call me a retard and when i kill him he call me a retard again, lol. Should i call him a god or what?

To OP: What i want to tell you is you dont have to copy someone build to be the best assassin, once you find your own tatic to play assassin you will find your own build. But looking at or testing someone build is good a way to understand their build.

Zazoo · Jan 26, 2007, 09:40 AM // 09:40

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Originally Posted by Siva arwen

To OP: What i want to tell you is you dont have to copy someone build to be the best assassin, once you find your own tatic to play assassin you will find your own build. But looking at or testing someone build is good a way to understand their build.

Have to agree, it doesnt hurt to try out a few others skills sets and see how they do but in the end you need to be able to play the build you stick with.